Samantha and Martin's Relationship

[martinandsam4eva]

Yeah I agree with that boushh !! And welcome, hope ya have a great time here ;D

[admiralsab]

Hey Boushh. Glad to see you finally made it. And I've never seen this poll so I voted... I went with the majority. Only cause it's the best choice for me too. lol

[boushh]

Thanks for the welcomes. I've been lurking a bit. Saw WaT yesterday on TNT and got the urge to post.

[Rofy]

Yes! I totally agree with you! They should get together slowly but I guess some major event could help (but I'm still sad because I wanted to see Sam more sad about Martin getting shot). Maybe after Martin is completely OK again and Sam sees it, they can start rebuilding what they once had...

No, forget abouy that.

I don't want to see *what they once had*, I want to see a real relationship. This means, Sam getting involved in the relationship and showing Martin that she cares about him and that she's no longer afraid to be seeing with him.

That's what I want.

[Broni]

Absolutely ditto to that Rofy! She has to show that she cares about him and will treat him as a human being with respect and hoensty. Martin has to put himself on her wavelength too, maybe be a little bit patient again, but yes, they should keep those damn communication lines OPEN (and I don't mean to fighting ) and be there for each other.

I'm also a bit upset Samantha wasn't more upset about Martin getting shot. I thought it really would have torn her up, but it didn't seem to do much after 'Showdown'. Maybe she got over it fast? Or hid it REALLY well? I don't know. Didn't seem right to me...

[schimmi]

I feel the same.Sam wasn't enough sad about Martins shot.Wished,she would have taken more care for him.

Hopefully they'll become a couple again.

[Rofy]

Oh yes! That's exactly what I wanted: I wanted the fact that Martin had been shot to torn her up!!! But no...

I guess I have yet another idea for a fic...

But maybe since she's not very good at expressing her feelings, if they get back togehter, we can be rewarded with a precious confesion of how much she suffered at nights thinking that she almost lost him for good.

I know, Rofy's high... but a girl can dream!!!

[Josi]

I guess she was really fighting to keep herself to together when he was shot. but this whole self-control thing is what makes sam sam...don't you think.

I would love to see them back together. And in my opinion a passionate kiss would be the best but before they have to make sure their friendship is strong...

[martinandsam4eva]

I totally agree Josi, even though Sam didnt seem to upset...I really think she was hiding behind a strong face, that's what Sam does...

I would love a passionate kiss, and a bed scene lol...but yes they have to built up trust and friendship first, and do things right this time, not hide it and some talking about how they feel and their pasts would be nice too... *dreams* ;D

[Rofy]

Thank God I'm not the only dreamer of the board!!

Yes, 1st: friendship, 2nd: kiss and 3rd: bed and I think the result would be :::Destined:::'s girls very, very happy

[martinandsam4eva]

Extremely happy !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Broni]

What I don't understand about Samantha's character is that if Jack was the one who was shot instead of Martin, that DEFINITELY would have torn her up without a doubt (and I think most of you would likely agree with me on that one). But with Martin, a man she had her eye on for quite sometime and initiated a relationship with, and then was crushed over being dumped by... she didn't really do anything. Aside from yell at a nurse and promise to be there for him.

It just amazes me how an affair with her boss which was purely based on sex and lasted only five months could touch her deeper than having a probably 10-month relationship with another man who is single, adorable and such a great person inside and out. It just staggers me as to what her way of thinking is like, and that's one part I don't like about her character. I mean she cried when Jack announced he was leaving! But when Martin was shot? Nothing.

I mean I sort of understand the Jack/Samantha relationship. They were both apparently going through tough times and were there for each other at a pivotol moment in each other's lives, and it's still obvious today that they have a good friendship, and are seemingly on the same wavelength. But why wouldn't she think the same about Martin? Would she even be upset if he moved away? It doesn't seem like it to be honest.

Sorry to vent, it just sorta came to me then and thought I'd get it out. I'm just very confused as to the way the writers see her character. Doesn't make much sense to me at all. Here they created this great friendship with Martin and Samantha and gave us a lot of hope when their romance developed, but after that... they just almots threw it all away. I wish they really thought that aspect of the show out a bit more clearer from the beginning.

Oh well, just have to live with it I suppose

[Shirley Parker]

It's very hard to know about Sam's feelings because we really don't get much feedback from the writers of the show so we don't know for sure if they really wanted to give Martin and Sam a fair chance and we don't know if they will give them a chance, if they think they're meant to be.

I may be stupid, I may be delusional, I may be such a MS shipper than I don't see what's in front of me but I always thought Sam's controled façade was more in character and telling than an ocean of tears. When you cry, you show you care, really do, you show that you're human and that you're upset and for a moment you're vulnerable. But when you hide the feelings, it shows that you are fighting desperately for control. I don't think they would write Samantha that way in showdown because they didn't want her to "feel so much", that would make her cold and not-likeable and I don't think the writers wanted that. I always thought she was write like that because in the end, Samantha don't want to feel so exposed. And this tells that the relationship meant something more (if she face it it's another story).

In showdown Samantha struggle, a lot. At first, she come to the crime scene and she is somewhat all over the place, without focus... she was still overwhelmed by all of it, maybe she was in that shock state when something that you never expect hits you (how could they imagine Martin and Danny would be ambushed? she never considered that). So Jack tells her she need to focus and give her an assigment, something that I believe made her feel relieved, it grounded her. Because when you're in the middle of a crisis that you don't have any control it's a relief when you focus in something else. I think she would crack if she didn't have a job to do, because she would have to face the reality without the urgency and the distraction of the case.

So, she is with her safety blank that it's the mission. Still, she calls many times (it was implied) to know how he was doing. You didn't see her calling so often to know how Viv was doing. Then she gets angry... anger my friend it's an emotional reaction that fits more her state, it's better for you to get angry and yell and blame someone than cry in the middle of a office and feel so stupid and weak for doing it in the middle of the work place, a place that she wanted to look strong and a capable agent (she also didn't show how much she was fragilized after being shot too).

Danny knows it, he understand her because he knows her. He knows she is not taking the news so well, if she would she would definitelly cry and that would make her feel better. But she wants respect and that means she needed to be strong so she don't cry.

He tries to hold her when he feels she needs it... And that is the most telling part of all episode. Not the end, not her words but the fact she don't let Danny hold her. Why? Because he knows how she is feeling, because once he do it he would expose her in a way she don't want to. Because she would cry, believe me. Because once she hug him, she would confess that she was very scared. Her body language tells it all and that's my favorite part because the message it's there but there was no words.

You can debate that once he is safe she could cry or be less evasive in the end of Showdown, but for me is not who Sam is. I still believe she is the person that wait to be alone and wait 'till there is no possibility someone will witness her breakdown so she could cry (and in the hospital the nurse could caught her, but in her home, after take a shower I can see it). Maybe pride keeps her so closed when comes down to Martin. When she cries because Jack is leaving it shows that she is sad because she is letting go someone that was part of her life, when she gives Martin a cold shower after the break up (and everyone start to call her a bitch) it shows that it hurt her so much that she can't deal with it, so she choose to looks like she didn't care and it's more telling than tears. She didn't react that badly when Jack dumped her (I assume), why she acted so cold when Martin left her? Because she didn't care? I don't think so.

The things you don't show are usually what hurts the most.

I think the 4th season is cold because they wanted to focus on cases, but is in character if you believe she has feelings for him. Because closeness can be painfull, because when you distance herself from someone that you like but you can't be with, you start to pull yourself together again and with time, the feelings go away or they"sleep" for a while, it's almost like you're in this numb state. That's why I choose the 3rd option. Because somehow I don't see them happening again in a calm way. Something has to wake them up and Samantha need to be the one to give the next step, surrender. So she needs to think... she needs to get in contact with her feelings and the best way she could do it is through a case. Because she won't stop and think by herself, she has to put herself in other people's shoes (they missed an opportunity with Patient X... darn). Then, I can see them working out their relationship. You can say that my mind is on my gutter but once she confront him if she kisses him and he is in his apartment believe me, they'll do it, because they'll loose the control ahahahaha. But them, in the next morning something will have to happen, otherwise he won't accept her back. I think he is done with games and he wants more.

Maybe you can consider this a very long and idealistic post, but it's the way I see her. I guess it all depends if the writers consider them the it couple. If they don't, this will never happen (despite the fact Luka and Abby are a couple once again so it's always possible). If there was/is the possibility of love but something will have to make them happen again, a touch, a kiss, jealousy, a case, someone dying.... something.

Okay, I'm stupid .

[ginal]

Interesting post, Shiderevkop !! and no, you are not stupid ;D

[martinandsam4eva]

I totally agree with all of that, and you are not stupid... ;D I see Sam as weak yet strong too..