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Post by SuperKelli15 on Nov 21, 2004 18:27:20 GMT -5
About this Epi I don't think there will be much M/S, becuase In the preview from last week it doesn't show martin at all, and when they did that for doppelganger part2 there was no M/S at all.
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Post by AgentJ322 on Nov 21, 2004 19:30:41 GMT -5
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Post by spade930 on Nov 21, 2004 19:39:09 GMT -5
Didn't the preview mainly show Jack? I hope we see M/S in this ep. I'm getting tired of seeing Jack and seeing him sulk about his life; no one cares.
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Post by SuperKelli15 on Nov 21, 2004 20:00:40 GMT -5
I feel the same way about Both things..
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Post by unrhue on Nov 21, 2004 20:26:04 GMT -5
Ditto. I'm getting tired of Jack as well. As wonderful an actor he is, I'd like to see character development in the others OTHER than JACK
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Post by Liana on Nov 22, 2004 0:23:06 GMT -5
actually, i think it's about time they start showing us more of jack, especially with the whole divorce issue. i think it's just the m/s shipper in most of us that keeps wanting to see more m/s interaction, but honestly, i would like to see how jack handles the situation with his wife and his 2 daughters. Especially with hannah - gosh, she's so... what's the word to describe her? when i hear her act so coldy and harshly towards her father, i just wanna yell at her, and then it makes me feel guilty for all the times i've probably hurt my parents with my words |
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Post by hazel on Nov 22, 2004 2:59:34 GMT -5
The previews are often rather Jack heavy because he is the recognisable star of the show and it doesn't always follow that the episode is all about Jack, so don't worry too much! Hopefully they'll spare a minute for a good M/S moment, maybe something to indicate if their relationship has changed after NAD2.
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Post by Ann415 on Nov 22, 2004 10:26:52 GMT -5
Brat?
I've learned to not make any assumptions about and episode based on the previews. Sometimes from the previews I think I won't like it and end up loving the episodes and sometimes it's vice versa.
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Post by SuperKelli15 on Nov 22, 2004 11:59:02 GMT -5
Hannah is just really emotionsal.. She ius old enough to understand that her family is falling apart, and she might think its her fault. She might also know about her fathers affair.
Did you also notice that like Danny and Viv and the rest of the team are kind of seeing a more different Jack.. In the last few episodes everyone has been seeing kind of a different Jack.. He is acting more aggresive than usual, and I think he is just so stressed, you know with the whole divorce and what not.
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Post by Eskimo Jo on Nov 22, 2004 13:36:21 GMT -5
actually, i think it's about time they start showing us more of jack, especially with the whole divorce issue. i think it's just the m/s shipper in most of us that keeps wanting to see more m/s interaction, but honestly, i would like to see how jack handles the situation with his wife and his 2 daughters. Especially with hannah - gosh, she's so... what's the word to describe her? when i hear her act so coldy and harshly towards her father, i just wanna yell at her, and then it makes me feel guilty for all the times i've probably hurt my parents with my words See, the problem is that this is a procedural drama in a sense. Too much character talk makes it turn into a soapy-drama. First and foremost, WaT is supposed to be about the cases. That said,I'm not opposed to the personal side. I don't mind it actually but I can't help but feel that any extra focus on Jack's problems would change this from "Without A Trace" to "The Jack Show". There's already quite enough about it and I honestly don't want to see a whole episode devoted to cheating, mopey, self-absorbed Jack hashing and rehashing all his personal problems (and there are more of those than can fit in one hour!)...unless somehow it can tie in the other characters as well. I like the personal side of the show. I like relating to them more. It connects us with the characters, but it has also alienated me from them, Jack specifically. His behaviour recently has just been abhorrent, not to mention his past with Sam vs. his wife which just totally rubs me the wrong way. His complete disregard of anything but his own personal interests/lust is wrong to me... I find Jack is constantly in the spotlight. He just needs to step back. That's why Sam/Martin/Danny/Viv focused eps are such a nice breath of fresh air. That's also why I didn't like Dopp2. There was no reason for Jack to take up 80% of the screentime. We all know that there are gonna be some Jack-heavy episodes this year. I thought it was overkill to have Jack the center of this one.....except to show off his arrogance and selfishness. (Once again my favourite word: hubris). As for Hannah, I support that child completely. It's all well and good to say "She's being such a brat!" but unless you've gone through what she has, trust me, it isn't that cut and dry. If anything, she is acting out LESS than I would expect from such an intelligent child. Divorece is not easy on children, especially when it obviously has it's roots in the actions of one parent. In this case, Jack deserves everything he gets. There is no excuse for cheating on his wife, repeatedly, under any circumstances, especially with a woman at his office who is a subordinate of his. end of story. Hannah has every right to be angry with her father because he's the one who started everything. I'm sure her mother has told Hannah that Daddy slept with his coworker and that's why Mommy is so sad. And it's not like Jack really tried to change his ways even after he said he would. From what we the audience saw anyway. He still spent oodles of time at the office and made stupid excuses not to go home. Viv can make everything work, why can't Jack? And saying it's because he's the boss doesn't hold up. As boss he should be in the field far less. That's what his feild agents are for. *sigh* It's just so complicated. Hannah is just a hurt child with a broken home. It's a very painful situation to be in... I feel for her. Her parents aren't making it any easier by being so vindictive to each other...But at least they're not constantly arguing in front of the kids. And it was specifically detrimental for Jack to blantantly LIE to Hannah about the possiblity of divorce. Let's face it, she could be a lot worse than just being cold to her dad. Wooo...Sorry for the rant! I just feel quite strongly about Jack's adultery and the effect divorce has on children. I'm not trying to offend or attack anyone or their opinions....I'm just ..you know.... sensitive. |
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Post by SuperKelli15 on Nov 22, 2004 14:15:16 GMT -5
I feel the same way.. What is so interessting about Jack....
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Post by Ann415 on Nov 22, 2004 14:43:06 GMT -5
Don't worry you didn't offend me but to clarify...I never said brat was a bad thing, ;D my favorite character on another show is the brattiest of all brats and I love her to death. Although in Hannah's case, I dunno why but has always rubbed me the wrong way. ::shrugs:: I don't even know why, she bothered me even when she isn't being "bratty".
As for the affair and the ultimate cause of the break-up, I'm not sure that we have enough information to be able to say it's Jack's fault. Did we ever find out why he had an affair with Sam. (And that's a legitimate question because I have a poor memory and I don't know. Did we?) We know he was seperated from Maria but do we know why? Did he have the affair before or after the seperated (the first time). Perhaps she kicked him out and then he had the affair. Maybe she had an affair first (althoug from clues I doubt it , it is possible). Maybe she did something to him. I'm not willing to post blame on either one of them without knowing everything. Anyway, with my poor memory it's possible those things have been addressed and I don't remember it.
As for Jack-centeric episodes, I don't mind them as long as they are well balanced with non Jack-centric episodes.
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Post by SuperKelli15 on Nov 22, 2004 14:55:12 GMT -5
Martin and Sam talked about the affaair in I believe Lost and Found, and also.. Jack left Sam so he could try and fix his marrage..
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Post by Liana on Nov 22, 2004 15:18:13 GMT -5
i thought hannah was acting bratty because of the guy that was trying to intimidate and threaten jack's family.. you know the one where he was waiting outside the school? i forgot which episode it was but when maria brought the girls into the fbi office after the threat, hannah gave jack this pissed off look and in all the eps after that, she's been bratty. i thought it was because she blames jack and his job for putting her in danger... the divorce most likely has something to do with it too, but do you really think maria told hannah the reason they were getting a divorce was that jack had an affair?
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Post by Ann415 on Nov 22, 2004 15:23:43 GMT -5
He did? I used to think that was why...but after Viv's speech to him in "Light Years" I thought I was wrong. She said that he basically dumped her like garbage (of course that is Viv's point of view and she might not be privy to the details). I thought that in one of the first episodes Jack told Sam or Viv that he had been seperated from Maria for only a little while (I know they talked about it but it's been a few months since I saw the repeat so I don't remember). Crap, I'm pretty sure he mentioned a time frame but I don't remember. Whatever it was no one knew about the seperation and I'm under the impression that he had the affair, they ended the affair, then him and Maria seperated. And since the affair ended before Martin came, so I was under the impression that the reason for their first seperation might have been something different (not actually his affair with Sam, although that might have been part of it) because Jack goes back to his wife and kids at the end of the first season finale, and that was at least about nine months after his affair with Sam ended and for some reason I got the impression that it means that he left the situation and not that Maria made him leave which is what makes me considor that possibly it was something she did something that made him leave in the first place. I know Jack and Sam talked about their affair in "Are you know or have you ever been" and clarified that it was over, but I had the impretion that it had actually been over for quite a while before that (and since Sam told Martin it was over before he got there)... Okay, now I'm starting to get a headache and I rambled on much to long and I'm not even entirely sure that made sense or that it was on-topic.  I apologize. |
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